Ultra Street Fighter IV

[Chô Aniki]

questions pour les pros: il y a des techniques de putes pour battre les Dhalsim ou les Boxer avec Blanka , car c'est vraiment la misère , est ce ce qu'on appelle les matchs up ?

[Raphoon]

Le match up c'est le taux de réussite d'un perso (et ses chances de gagner) face à un autre.
Le match up moisi pour Chun Li c'est Blanka, par exemple.

[Chô Aniki]

Y a t'il un site qui référence ça ? j'ai pas l'impression face à Chun li, par contre contre les Zangief et T.hawk oui en général j'ai pas trop de mal.

[Stomy Bugsy]

Y'a les match-ups de SFIV pour Blanka : http://www.eventhubs.com/guides/2008...cter-rankings/

[Chapp]

questions pour les pros: il y a des techniques de putes pour battre les Dhalsim ou les Boxer avec Blanka , car c'est vraiment la misère , est ce ce qu'on appelle les matchs up ?

Contre le chauve extensible:

Vs. Dhalsim

Japanese Wiki: 5/5
Event Hubs April 09: 6/4
Event Hubs October 09: 6/4
Popular SRK Opinion: Overwhelming disadvantage Blanka

Quick info:

EX Ball > Fireball
Slide > Fireball
Coward Crouch > Fireball
Electricity > Jump back Fierce
S.Jab > All upclose teleport combo starters
Crouching Roundhouse > Crouching Fierce *

*shglbmx says, if you know he's going to do a c. fp from full screen, learn to react to it with your own c. rh.

The match breakdowns:

Originally Posted by The Mullah View Post
VS Dhalsim:
except maybe vs Dhalsim, according to ultradavid: Sim seems to have a pretty good matchup against Blanka. It's like the same matchup as in ST except Blanka is less dominant up close now (no bite to worry about) and if Blanka does get in Sim can escape more easily with his faster teleport. Put out yoga fire and react to what Blanka does. Antiair close jumps with back+strong, antiair farther jumps with back+roundhouse/forward, standing roundhouse for preemptive antiair, standing strong and crouching strong for harassment, punish blocked balls with standing fierce, and standing jab balls on reaction. If he does ex ball, no biggie, Sim recovers from yoga fire fast enough to block if you're half a screen away or more, just block the ball and punish with standing fierce. I don't think Sim needs to jump or teleport at all (unless caught up close) in this matchup.

In my opinion the range Blanka wants is like the range where he can jab ball right up in front of Sim, trade normals with Sim, do safe slide on reaction to yoga flame, and ex ball a flame on reaction (all of which is doable from the same spot). Don't expect a good Sim to throw a fireball from that range, though, it's much more profitable for him to wait for you to do something or to push you out with his limbs. And while ball usually beats and occasionally trades with limbs, don't think it's a good idea to do random balls in expectation of a limb, since not only are you not going to guess right often enough to make that reasonable, and not only can Sim punish all of Blanka's balls, but even if the ball hits, Sim can still punish you if you were within like half a screen of the wall, and in any case you've now lost the good positioning you had before the ball.

Also, Sim has no reason to jump in this matchup. He doesn't gain anything from jumping, and his ground game with his limbs, awesome antiairs (back+roundhouse, back+strong, and slides are answers to all of Blanka's close jump-ins), and safe-range yoga fire is really strong already.

Originally Posted by The Mullah
VS SIM:
getting in on a good sim is TOUGH. FA fish at sims st.hp range or simply jump in so you land outside of his b.hk anti air etc. If you FA a st.hp you will hit the limb and can dash forward. you'll be a character or so's length from sim... so you can't jump in so you ca FA again, or land into elec (not really a good idea), or you can try to walk into st.lp range. jumping in or over fireball i usually opt for j.hp as it seems to trade vs his anti airs more than other normals. you can jab ball in from full screen and hope to hit a limb but watch for fireballs.

If you land a knockdown its cross up time and full on elec pressure is essential to keep him grounded. sim will be looking to jump so walking jab pressure is good as you'll reset him allow you to walk in and do more lp x fierce elec pressure again. sims often like to back dash or jump back when you begin your up close offensive, this makes comboing into forward command dash in block strings pretty good. I think walking elec pressure is better however. don't let him get away and tag any bad jump backs with upball. problem is you often wont have charge as you have to stay mobile in this one.

Source.




Contre le Boxer:

Quick info:

You're screwed...but seriously, really. You're fucked. Ok, seriously...

Max range S.Jab, when timed right, can > Boxer's C.Jab
Max range S.Strong, when timed right, can > Boxer's C.Jab
S.Jab > Most Rush Punches (Not at Rush Punch's max range)
Electricity > Most Rush Punches
Electricity < C.Roundhouse
Ball > Most Rush Punches...doesn't matter though because...
Ball < Boxer. Ball is punishable EVEN WHEN IT HITS CLEAN.
Seriously though, you're the rape victim here, fight back as much as you can but face it...you're gonna give up the ass eventually...

Originally Posted by The Mullah
Boxer: since they like to walk backwards for most of the round i'll open with hp elec. in fact i'll often sit at mid and full screen just repeatedly doing hp elec repeatedly with no normals inbetween the minimum bursts. I don't do this to build meter, but to bait the opponent into abondoning the turtle stance. I'll also hop or jab ball into FA outside of his jab range and basically do a little dance to provoke a reaction.

If that doesn't get them doing punishable charge punches then i move onto plan B, i just walk up in there with my invincible st.mp and start hitting him out of his defensive jabs. The moment i do this it opens the gates for either jump ins (dunno why) what i'm really going for, random headbutts. Once they know that i like to st.mp x 7 and get the headbutt going i'm usually free to work FA into my st.mp /cr.mp spam. i do use st.hp too but it leaves me a bit open when it whiffs so i'm shy to crack it out too often. The golden part is that once you know how to stop jabs and jab dash punches at close range with st.mp they usually become succeptable to random whiff jab balls etc.

If you can combo into jab ball, then do it. my bread and butter cr.mk stlp x hp elec whiffs vs rog so crumple pressure is pretty weak without ex meter to fadc balls, but still i find st.mp, hop/ball x FA and hp elec out of his sweep range to be pretty viable for cracking most boxers. I honestly think the problem comes when you play a boxer that has the patience to never random dash punch you, and has the reactions to tag you out of every roll jump and FA. trouble is, not many people ever reach that level.

Source.

[Chô Aniki]

Donc d'après le tableau, mes match up sont Vega et Dan, mais pas balrog, Vega je suis ok , mais faut qu'on m'explique parce que contre Balrog (boxer) j'arrive à rien.

[Stomy Bugsy]

Contre Boxer, c'est du 6-4 pour Boxer. Les LP de Boxer bloque facilement Blanka et la plupart de ses coups sont facilement punissables.

[Chô Aniki]

ok, j'avais compris à l'envers le tableau, donc boxer est bien un de mes match up. Merci Chapp je vais lire ça, le problème avec Dhalsim c'est qu'il me tient à distance, envoie des boules et se téléporte dans mon dos, j'ai beau user de glissade et boule EX c'est pas suffisant.

[Chapp]

[...] le problème avec Dhalsim c'est qu'il me tient à distance, envoie des boules et se téléporte dans mon dos, j'ai beau user de glissade et boule EX c'est pas suffisant.

EX Ball > Fireball
Slide > Fireball
Coward Crouch > Fireball
Electricity > Jump back Fierce
S.Jab > All upclose teleport combo starters
Crouching Roundhouse > Crouching Fierce *

*shglbmx says, if you know he's going to do a c. fp from full screen, learn to react to it with your own c. rh.

[Chô Aniki]

Ca a l'air si simple sur le papier ...

[SegaTa Sanshiro]

Hannn, Cho tu joues Blanka, va falloir qu'on se fasse des matches, je suis trop weak contre lui. Je pense que c'est mon plus gros % de défaites le brésilien verdâtre, il me rend fou... Et comme toi, j'ai essayé de comprendre "mes" match up contre lui, et sur le papier, c'est trop simple

PS: je suis un sac.

PS2: j'ai joué contre Akra et son Guile en kevlar complètement par hasard, et je suis vraiment un sac.

[akra]

huuuu!! mon guile il est en bois!!! j'essaye de le jouer depuis 2 jours mais j'arrive pas

la prochaine fois je te sortirai mon Adon histoire que tu souffres un peu

c'est quoi ton pseudo sur le live?

[SegaTa Sanshiro]

En bois? Hé ben, ton Adon je veux même pas le voir ! Mon GT c'est VinceTouqueOne, et j'essaye désespérément de "jouer" Dudley. Alors qu'en fait, je souffre.

[Orochikem]

Dudley est carrément balèze dans ce jeu (remarque comme dans le 3.3)!!! Et si tu le joues bien, c'est la fête du slip!

Ouais sinon je confirme, le Guile d'Akra est un gamin comparé à son Adon

Ce jeu me plaît bcp, et j'avoue adorer Cammy, mais aussi T.Hawk et Ibuki depuis 2 jours! ^^'

Le choix du mon main va être dur, au placard Gen!

EDIT : et ouais je laisse Juri à Raphoon, le gameplay de celle-ci m'oblige à changer la position de mes doigts sur le stick, et ça j'aime pas du tout!!!
La france aux français!

[Ryuga]

Moi je flashe total sur Claw en ce moment. Ils ont bien remonté son niveau dans cette version SSF4